Hieronymous707 wrote:
>Will Dockery wrote:
>> George Dance wrote:
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > > Sure: as I said, a poem is much more than a few good phra=
ses, and at
> > > > > > > > > this point ["Dark Passages"] isn't much more than a few g=
ood phrases.
> > > > > > > > > Where's the theme, for example? So my judgement would act=
ually be
> > > > > > > > > harsher than yours: I'd say that it's not a poem in its p=
resent state,
> > > > > > > > > and I do't think you'd say that.
>
> > > > > > > If George Dance "transforms" the work or art (poem) into what=
can be
> > > > > > > observed as a "new" work of art, then he can indeed credit hi=
mself as the
> > > > > > > author.
>
> > > > > > If George "significantly" uses my "Dark Passages" (certainly if=
he
> > > > > > does a word-for-word cut-up & shuffle, as with the example of "=
She
> > > > > > Sleeps Tight", below, or as in the infamous "adaptation" of Kar=
ma
> > > > > > Bombs that Michael Cook generated from my poem) then obviously =
I would
> > > > > > ask for a credit of some sort, and would leave the wording and
> > > > > > placement to George, though.
>
> > > > > > > See below.
>
> > > > > > > >Or are you going to convert it into a poem
>
> > > > > > > "Dark Passages" is already a poem... Dance can write /another=
/ poem, using
> > > > > > > keywords from [the existing poem]
>
> > > > > > > > "...changing one letter of one word and adding a list in th=
e middle, and
> > > > > > > > then pass it off as your own work?" -PJR
>
> > > > > > > Actually, George would be able to just that under "Transforma=
tive
> > > > > > > Usage", this is the method that Dale M. Houstman became famou=
s for with such
> > > > > > > poems as his "Mercury & Clocks":
>
> > > > > > >http://omgili.com/newsgroups/alt/surrealism/bac9b49ace0d34b4c7=
0b91746...
>
> > > > > > > Adam Lynn also did some good work in this vein, using some of=
my poetry,
> > > > > > > which he calls "pastiche":
>
> > > > > > >http://www.slawek.com/news/article/alt.music.lyrics/346688
>
> > > > > > > *****************
> > > > > > > Subject: She Sleeps Tight / Will Dockery (discussion of adapt=
ation) =A0Posted
> > > > > > > on: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:37:44 +0000 (UTC)
>
> > > > > > > [From another thread, singled out to new thread for focus]:
>
> > > > > > > Well, I see the two poems are close, and I've made my opinion=
s on this
> > > > > > > "Borrowed Keyword" poetry method clear here for years, now. W=
hen
> > > > > > > someone does something like this to a poem of mine, I request=
they
> > > > > > > give me a credit line somewhere, such as "Based on a poem by =
Will
> > > > > > > Dockery", as I did when Adam used my poetry in a way similar =
to this:
>
> > > > > > >http://www.freak-search.com/en/thread/1386134/she_sleeps_tight=
pastiche/3
>
> > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v9uGY157cpiU
>
> > > > > > > She Sleeps Tight
>
> > > > > > > Sleeps so tight
> > > > > > > she has a marksman's eye.
> > > > > > > Maker's mark
> > > > > > > tattoo firewater spine.
> > > > > > > Leather shoes
> > > > > > > but nowhere to go.
>
> > > > > > > Dice and coins
> > > > > > > scattered in the snow.
> > > > > > > Dice and coins
> > > > > > > scattered in the snow.
>
> > > > > > > Won't be long,
> > > > > > > until I see her face.
> > > > > > > She's waiting
> > > > > > > in an undisclosed place.
> > > > > > > I've been conspired
> > > > > > > banned from my muse.
>
> > > > > > > This won't stick
> > > > > > > poor boy's all confused.
> > > > > > > This won't stick
> > > > > > > poor boy's all confused.
>
> > > > > > > In Salem town
> > > > > > > she keeps her chin so high.
> > > > > > > Darkened breeze
> > > > > > > she smiles as I roll by.
> > > > > > > Step inside
> > > > > > > she looks for tables left.
>
> > > > > > > Wink at time
> > > > > > > nothing lasts except yourself.
> > > > > > > Wink at time
> > > > > > > nothing lasts except yourself.
>
> > > > > > > Like a Steamboat
> > > > > > > she plans to roll on down.
> > > > > > > To the Gulf
> > > > > > > out of this dirty town.
> > > > > > > Copper mesh
> > > > > > > kept stuffed in a jar.
>
> > > > > > > Sharp cold hit
> > > > > > > turning wine to water.
> > > > > > > Sharp cold hit
> > > > > > > turning wine to water.
>
> > > > > > > We know him
> > > > > > > eye deed by his ship.
> > > > > > > In a trap
> > > > > > > a kind of goosechase trip.
> > > > > > > Whiskey fumes
> > > > > > > and stale gunsmoke.
>
> > > > > > > Sunk and drowned
> > > > > > > with all her knives and jokes.
> > > > > > > Sunk and drowned
> > > > > > > with all her knives and jokes.
>
> > > > > > > Sleeps so tight
> > > > > > > she has a marksman's eye.
> > > > > > > Maker's mark
> > > > > > > tattoo firewater spine.
> > > > > > > Leather shoes
> > > > > > > but nowhere to go.
>
> > > > > > > -Will Dockery (words)
>
> > > > > > > Adam's reshuffling & editing of "She Sleeps Tight", which he =
calls a
> > > > > > > Pastisch:
>
> > > > > > > "adamlynn" wrote:
>
> > > > > > > She sleeps tight/pastiche
>
> > > > > > > Darkened Salem town leather breeze.
> > > > > > > Whiskey scattered shoes in the snow.
> > > > > > > Poor boy's stale dirty gun-smoke jokes
> > > > > > > wink at time. She keeps her steamboat
> > > > > > > drowned copper fumes and knives
> > > > > > > stuffed in a jar. Nothing lasts.
> > > > > > > Your self turning from wine to water.
> > > > > > > Conspired smiles with all her nowhere
> > > > > > > coins and goose-chase cold dice.
>
> > > > > > > Anyway, it seems we need to have a uniform standard of judgem=
ent as to
> > > > > > > when we can justifiably pronounce someone a "plagiarist" & "t=
hief", right?
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > Here's my OB/version of the poem, so far, still a work-in-pro=
gress:
>
> > > > > > > "Dark passages"
>
> > > > > > Almost finished, now in final stages of rewrites and recording =
in the
> > > > > > studio... glad to actually scroll back here, to get a refresher=
on
> > > > > > where the piece first jumped off from, here's a screenshot of t=
he
> > > > > > working poem/lyric sheet:
>
> > > > > >https://plus.google.com/u/0/?tab=3DwX#102897660733515052311/post=
s
>
> > > > > > (and/or if that link isn't working):
>
> > > > > >https://picasaweb.google.com/102897660733515052311/DarkPassagesW=
illDo...
>
> > > > > > "Dark Passages", poem-lyric sheet by Will Dockery used in recor=
ding of
> > > > > > song with Shadowville All-Stars Brian Mallard & Jack Snipe, Dec=
ember
> > > > > > 2011.
>
> > > > > Add unintelligible to illegible, and you get sum real "Dark Passa=
ges".
> > > > > LOL.
>
> > > > Hopefully the finished product, currently being polished in the
> > > > studio, will transcend and transform from that dire strait...
>
> > > You could break it up like if you took a break and brought it with yo=
u
> > > if you came here for Christmas.
>
> > Would truly love to, if it wasn't presently impossible... rain check
> > for a future year, perhaps?
>
> > In fantasy & imagination it already seems to been happening, in
> > "snapshots" I see, of my version of your reality... if that makes a
> > lick of sense to you.
>
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ds.soundawesome.com/
>
> Sorry, I don't think I can really offer a rain check for the future. I
> barely know what I'm doing now. There's no way I can tell you for sure
> where I'll be or what I'll be doing next, or any subsequent year. I'm
> not even sure I'll be here, in this group, in this house, in this
> body. Life offers only one guarantee; it will pass with time.
I can sure relate to all that!
> As to just a lick of sense, I'll
> Send to you this present. Tensile
> Strength the length of that you see
> Adorning this. A Christmas tree
> Like icon I can represent
> In rhyme, as I o'pine on scents.
Thanks... I'm hoping Santa will bring me one of those vapor bongs I
sampled with Wildman & Bibb City entourage at Hogbottom, makes the
process new and enjoyable.
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