On Dec 9, 5:17=A0am, Hieronymous707 wrote:
> On Dec 8, 1:00=A0pm, Will Dockery wrote:
>> George Dance wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > > > Sure: as I said, a poem is much more than a few good phrases, and=
at
> > > > > this point ["Dark Passages"] isn't much more than a few good phra=
ses.
> > > > > Where's the theme, for example? So my judgement would actually be
> > > > > harsher than yours: I'd say that it's not a poem in its present s=
tate,
> > > > > and I do't think you'd say that.
>
> > > If George Dance "transforms" the work or art (poem) into what can be
> > > observed as a "new" work of art, then he can indeed credit himself as=
the
> > > author.
>
> > If George "significantly" uses my "Dark Passages" (certainly if he
> > does a word-for-word cut-up & shuffle, as with the example of "She
> > Sleeps Tight", below, or as in the infamous "adaptation" of Karma
> > Bombs that Michael Cook generated from my poem) then obviously I would
> > ask for a credit of some sort, and would leave the wording and
> > placement to George, though.
>
> > > See below.
>
> > > >Or are you going to convert it into a poem
>
> > > "Dark Passages" is already a poem... Dance can write /another/ poem, =
using
> > > keywords from [the existing poem]
>
> > > > "...changing one letter of one word and adding a list in the middle=
, and
> > > > then pass it off as your own work?" -PJR
>
> > > Actually, George would be able to just that under "Transformative
> > > Usage", this is the method that Dale M. Houstman became famous for wi=
th such
> > > poems as his "Mercury & Clocks":
>
> > >http://omgili.com/newsgroups/alt/surrealism/bac9b49ace0d34b4c70b91746.=
..
>
> > > Adam Lynn also did some good work in this vein, using some of my poet=
ry,
> > > which he calls "pastiche":
>
> > >http://www.slawek.com/news/article/alt.music.lyrics/346688
>
> > > *****************
> > > Subject: She Sleeps Tight / Will Dockery (discussion of adaptation) =
=A0Posted
> > > on: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:37:44 +0000 (UTC)
>
> > > [From another thread, singled out to new thread for focus]:
>
> > > Well, I see the two poems are close, and I've made my opinions on thi=
s
> > > "Borrowed Keyword" poetry method clear here for years, now. When
> > > someone does something like this to a poem of mine, I request they
> > > give me a credit line somewhere, such as "Based on a poem by Will
> > > Dockery", as I did when Adam used my poetry in a way similar to this:
>
> > >http://www.freak-search.com/en/thread/1386134/she_sleeps_tightpastiche=
/3
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v9uGY157cpiU
>
> > > She Sleeps Tight
>
> > > Sleeps so tight
> > > she has a marksman's eye.
> > > Maker's mark
> > > tattoo firewater spine.
> > > Leather shoes
> > > but nowhere to go.
>
> > > Dice and coins
> > > scattered in the snow.
> > > Dice and coins
> > > scattered in the snow.
>
> > > Won't be long,
> > > until I see her face.
> > > She's waiting
> > > in an undisclosed place.
> > > I've been conspired
> > > banned from my muse.
>
> > > This won't stick
> > > poor boy's all confused.
> > > This won't stick
> > > poor boy's all confused.
>
> > > In Salem town
> > > she keeps her chin so high.
> > > Darkened breeze
> > > she smiles as I roll by.
> > > Step inside
> > > she looks for tables left.
>
> > > Wink at time
> > > nothing lasts except yourself.
> > > Wink at time
> > > nothing lasts except yourself.
>
> > > Like a Steamboat
> > > she plans to roll on down.
> > > To the Gulf
> > > out of this dirty town.
> > > Copper mesh
> > > kept stuffed in a jar.
>
> > > Sharp cold hit
> > > turning wine to water.
> > > Sharp cold hit
> > > turning wine to water.
>
> > > We know him
> > > eye deed by his ship.
> > > In a trap
> > > a kind of goosechase trip.
> > > Whiskey fumes
> > > and stale gunsmoke.
>
> > > Sunk and drowned
> > > with all her knives and jokes.
> > > Sunk and drowned
> > > with all her knives and jokes.
>
> > > Sleeps so tight
> > > she has a marksman's eye.
> > > Maker's mark
> > > tattoo firewater spine.
> > > Leather shoes
> > > but nowhere to go.
>
> > > -Will Dockery (words)
>
> > > Adam's reshuffling & editing of "She Sleeps Tight", which he calls a
> > > Pastisch:
>
> > > "adamlynn" wrote:
>
> > > She sleeps tight/pastiche
>
> > > Darkened Salem town leather breeze.
> > > Whiskey scattered shoes in the snow.
> > > Poor boy's stale dirty gun-smoke jokes
> > > wink at time. She keeps her steamboat
> > > drowned copper fumes and knives
> > > stuffed in a jar. Nothing lasts.
> > > Your self turning from wine to water.
> > > Conspired smiles with all her nowhere
> > > coins and goose-chase cold dice.
>
> > > Anyway, it seems we need to have a uniform standard of judgement as t=
o
> > > when we can justifiably pronounce someone a "plagiarist" & "thief", r=
ight?
>
> >
>
> > > Here's my OB/version of the poem, so far, still a work-in-progress:
>
> > > "Dark passages"
>
> > Almost finished, now in final stages of rewrites and recording in the
> > studio... glad to actually scroll back here, to get a refresher on
> > where the piece first jumped off from, here's a screenshot of the
> > working poem/lyric sheet:
>
> >https://plus.google.com/u/0/?tab=3DwX#102897660733515052311/posts
>
> > (and/or if that link isn't working):
>
> >https://picasaweb.google.com/102897660733515052311/DarkPassagesWillDo...
>
> > "Dark Passages", poem-lyric sheet by Will Dockery used in recording of
> > song with Shadowville All-Stars Brian Mallard & Jack Snipe, December
> > 2011.
>
> Add unintelligible to illegible, and you get sum real "Dark Passages".
> LOL.
Hopefully the finished product, currently being polished in the
studio, will transcend and transform from that dire strait...
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