On Dec 8, 1:00=A0pm, Will Dockery wrote:
> George Dance wrote:
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> > > > Sure: as I said, a poem is much more than a few good phrases, and a=
t
> > > > this point ["Dark Passages"] isn't much more than a few good phrase=
s.
> > > > Where's the theme, for example? So my judgement would actually be
> > > > harsher than yours: I'd say that it's not a poem in its present sta=
te,
> > > > and I do't think you'd say that.
>
> > If George Dance "transforms" the work or art (poem) into what can be
> > observed as a "new" work of art, then he can indeed credit himself as t=
he
> > author.
>
> If George "significantly" uses my "Dark Passages" (certainly if he
> does a word-for-word cut-up & shuffle, as with the example of "She
> Sleeps Tight", below, or as in the infamous "adaptation" of Karma
> Bombs that Michael Cook generated from my poem) then obviously I would
> ask for a credit of some sort, and would leave the wording and
> placement to George, though.
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> > See below.
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> > >Or are you going to convert it into a poem
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> > "Dark Passages" is already a poem... Dance can write /another/ poem, us=
ing
> > keywords from [the existing poem]
>
> > > "...changing one letter of one word and adding a list in the middle, =
and
> > > then pass it off as your own work?" -PJR
>
> > Actually, George would be able to just that under "Transformative
> > Usage", this is the method that Dale M. Houstman became famous for with=
such
> > poems as his "Mercury & Clocks":
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> >http://omgili.com/newsgroups/alt/surrealism/bac9b49ace0d34b4c70b91746...
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> > Adam Lynn also did some good work in this vein, using some of my poetry=
,
> > which he calls "pastiche":
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> >http://www.slawek.com/news/article/alt.music.lyrics/346688
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> > *****************
> > Subject: She Sleeps Tight / Will Dockery (discussion of adaptation) =A0=
Posted
> > on: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:37:44 +0000 (UTC)
>
> > [From another thread, singled out to new thread for focus]:
>
> > Well, I see the two poems are close, and I've made my opinions on this
> > "Borrowed Keyword" poetry method clear here for years, now. When
> > someone does something like this to a poem of mine, I request they
> > give me a credit line somewhere, such as "Based on a poem by Will
> > Dockery", as I did when Adam used my poetry in a way similar to this:
>
> >http://www.freak-search.com/en/thread/1386134/she_sleeps_tightpastiche/3
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v9uGY157cpiU
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> > She Sleeps Tight
>
> > Sleeps so tight
> > she has a marksman's eye.
> > Maker's mark
> > tattoo firewater spine.
> > Leather shoes
> > but nowhere to go.
>
> > Dice and coins
> > scattered in the snow.
> > Dice and coins
> > scattered in the snow.
>
> > Won't be long,
> > until I see her face.
> > She's waiting
> > in an undisclosed place.
> > I've been conspired
> > banned from my muse.
>
> > This won't stick
> > poor boy's all confused.
> > This won't stick
> > poor boy's all confused.
>
> > In Salem town
> > she keeps her chin so high.
> > Darkened breeze
> > she smiles as I roll by.
> > Step inside
> > she looks for tables left.
>
> > Wink at time
> > nothing lasts except yourself.
> > Wink at time
> > nothing lasts except yourself.
>
> > Like a Steamboat
> > she plans to roll on down.
> > To the Gulf
> > out of this dirty town.
> > Copper mesh
> > kept stuffed in a jar.
>
> > Sharp cold hit
> > turning wine to water.
> > Sharp cold hit
> > turning wine to water.
>
> > We know him
> > eye deed by his ship.
> > In a trap
> > a kind of goosechase trip.
> > Whiskey fumes
> > and stale gunsmoke.
>
> > Sunk and drowned
> > with all her knives and jokes.
> > Sunk and drowned
> > with all her knives and jokes.
>
> > Sleeps so tight
> > she has a marksman's eye.
> > Maker's mark
> > tattoo firewater spine.
> > Leather shoes
> > but nowhere to go.
>
> > -Will Dockery (words)
>
> > Adam's reshuffling & editing of "She Sleeps Tight", which he calls a
> > Pastisch:
>
> > "adamlynn" wrote:
>
> > She sleeps tight/pastiche
>
> > Darkened Salem town leather breeze.
> > Whiskey scattered shoes in the snow.
> > Poor boy's stale dirty gun-smoke jokes
> > wink at time. She keeps her steamboat
> > drowned copper fumes and knives
> > stuffed in a jar. Nothing lasts.
> > Your self turning from wine to water.
> > Conspired smiles with all her nowhere
> > coins and goose-chase cold dice.
>
> > Anyway, it seems we need to have a uniform standard of judgement as to
> > when we can justifiably pronounce someone a "plagiarist" & "thief", rig=
ht?
>
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> > Here's my OB/version of the poem, so far, still a work-in-progress:
>
> > "Dark passages"
>
> Almost finished, now in final stages of rewrites and recording in the
> studio... glad to actually scroll back here, to get a refresher on
> where the piece first jumped off from, here's a screenshot of the
> working poem/lyric sheet:
>
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/?tab=3DwX#102897660733515052311/posts
>
> (and/or if that link isn't working):
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/102897660733515052311/DarkPassagesWillDo...
>
> "Dark Passages", poem-lyric sheet by Will Dockery used in recording of
> song with Shadowville All-Stars Brian Mallard & Jack Snipe, December
> 2011.
Add unintelligible to illegible, and you get sum real "Dark Passages".
LOL. |
