George Dance wrote:
> > > Sure: as I said, a poem is much more than a few good phrases, and at
> > > this point ["Dark Passages"] isn't much more than a few good phrases.
> > > Where's the theme, for example? So my judgement would actually be
> > > harsher than yours: I'd say that it's not a poem in its present state,
> > > and I do't think you'd say that.
>
> If George Dance "transforms" the work or art (poem) into what can be
> observed as a "new" work of art, then he can indeed credit himself as the
> author.
If George "significantly" uses my "Dark Passages" (certainly if he
does a word-for-word cut-up & shuffle, as with the example of "She
Sleeps Tight", below, or as in the infamous "adaptation" of Karma
Bombs that Michael Cook generated from my poem) then obviously I would
ask for a credit of some sort, and would leave the wording and
placement to George, though.
> See below.
>
> >Or are you going to convert it into a poem
>
> "Dark Passages" is already a poem... Dance can write /another/ poem, using
> keywords from [the existing poem]
>
> > "...changing one letter of one word and adding a list in the middle, and
> > then pass it off as your own work?" -PJR
>
> Actually, George would be able to just that under "Transformative
> Usage", this is the method that Dale M. Houstman became famous for with such
> poems as his "Mercury & Clocks":
>
> http://omgili.com/newsgroups/alt/surrealism/bac9b49ace0d34b4c70b91746...
>
> Adam Lynn also did some good work in this vein, using some of my poetry,
> which he calls "pastiche":
>
> http://www.slawek.com/news/article/alt.music.lyrics/346688
>
> *****************
> Subject: She Sleeps Tight / Will Dockery (discussion of adaptation) Posted
> on: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:37:44 +0000 (UTC)
>
> [From another thread, singled out to new thread for focus]:
>
> Well, I see the two poems are close, and I've made my opinions on this
> "Borrowed Keyword" poetry method clear here for years, now. When
> someone does something like this to a poem of mine, I request they
> give me a credit line somewhere, such as "Based on a poem by Will
> Dockery", as I did when Adam used my poetry in a way similar to this:
>
> http://www.freak-search.com/en/thread/1386134/she_sleeps_tightpastiche/3
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v9uGY157cpiU
>
> She Sleeps Tight
>
> Sleeps so tight
> she has a marksman's eye.
> Maker's mark
> tattoo firewater spine.
> Leather shoes
> but nowhere to go.
>
> Dice and coins
> scattered in the snow.
> Dice and coins
> scattered in the snow.
>
> Won't be long,
> until I see her face.
> She's waiting
> in an undisclosed place.
> I've been conspired
> banned from my muse.
>
> This won't stick
> poor boy's all confused.
> This won't stick
> poor boy's all confused.
>
> In Salem town
> she keeps her chin so high.
> Darkened breeze
> she smiles as I roll by.
> Step inside
> she looks for tables left.
>
> Wink at time
> nothing lasts except yourself.
> Wink at time
> nothing lasts except yourself.
>
> Like a Steamboat
> she plans to roll on down.
> To the Gulf
> out of this dirty town.
> Copper mesh
> kept stuffed in a jar.
>
> Sharp cold hit
> turning wine to water.
> Sharp cold hit
> turning wine to water.
>
> We know him
> eye deed by his ship.
> In a trap
> a kind of goosechase trip.
> Whiskey fumes
> and stale gunsmoke.
>
> Sunk and drowned
> with all her knives and jokes.
> Sunk and drowned
> with all her knives and jokes.
>
> Sleeps so tight
> she has a marksman's eye.
> Maker's mark
> tattoo firewater spine.
> Leather shoes
> but nowhere to go.
>
> -Will Dockery (words)
>
> Adam's reshuffling & editing of "She Sleeps Tight", which he calls a
> Pastisch:
>
> "adamlynn" wrote:
>
> She sleeps tight/pastiche
>
> Darkened Salem town leather breeze.
> Whiskey scattered shoes in the snow.
> Poor boy's stale dirty gun-smoke jokes
> wink at time. She keeps her steamboat
> drowned copper fumes and knives
> stuffed in a jar. Nothing lasts.
> Your self turning from wine to water.
> Conspired smiles with all her nowhere
> coins and goose-chase cold dice.
>
> Anyway, it seems we need to have a uniform standard of judgement as to
> when we can justifiably pronounce someone a "plagiarist" & "thief", right?
> Here's my OB/version of the poem, so far, still a work-in-progress:
>
> "Dark passages"
Almost finished, now in final stages of rewrites and recording in the
studio... glad to actually scroll back here, to get a refresher on
where the piece first jumped off from, here's a screenshot of the
working poem/lyric sheet:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/?tab=wX#102897660733515052311/posts
(and/or if that link isn't working):
https://picasaweb.google.com/102897660733515052311/DarkPassagesWillDockery#5683811688311484194
"Dark Passages", poem-lyric sheet by Will Dockery used in recording of
song with Shadowville All-Stars Brian Mallard & Jack Snipe, December
2011. |
