Dale Houstman wrote:
> George Dance wrote:
> >"Will Dockery" wrote:
>
> >> Sestina, the ancient merger of poetry & song:
>
> >> Created by 12th century troubadors, I've been experimenting with this
form
> >> as for possible use in my country-western songs in collaboration with
Henry
> >> Conley. The system is simple, yet a mind-teaser. Six words in six
> >> combinations over six verses, in a set order. In the example below, you
can
> >> see how the drill goes, give it a try for yourself, it's an excellent
poetry exercise:
>
> >> Honeytrip Sestina
>
> >> Beads of sweat driving on 280,
> >> thinking about a lonesome wildflower.
> >> Cross country for this honeytrip,
> >> going down to incant a shadowmusic,
> >> joined on stage by her fiddle,
> >> swear to god I really miss her.
>
> >> She knows that I've missed her,
> >> she drives alone on highway 280.
> >> Her grandfather also played fiddle,
> >> and grew gov'ment wildflowers.
> >> Let him play his shadowmusic,
> >> as we recall the honeytrip.
>
> >> Backpacked, hitchhiked to honeytrip,
> >> waterfall spray did mist her,
> >> we formed a band to play shadowmusic.
> >> Down in Salem, on Highway 280,
> >> saw the sign of Project Wildflower,
> >> a contra agent but plays good fiddle.
>
> >> In the night sirens played fiddle,
> >> rustling wail of honey trip.
> >> Behind her ear was a wildflower,
> >> I knew some day I would miss her.
> >> Looking for tea olive on 280,
> >> to play a few hours of shadowmusic.
>
> >> Down a moonlit mile wild shadowmusic,
> >> Bibb Mill burned as he played fiddle.
> >> Westbound down Highway 280,
> >> like a hound for the honeytrip,
> >> after all her lies I still missed her,
> >> blowing kises from a field of wildflowers.
>
> >> Sang a melody like "Wildwood Flower",
> >> she made it her own kind of shadowmusic.
> >> When he stepped on stage we called him mister,
> >> ghost of Sgt. Fury playing show fiddle.
> >> The only crown prince of honey trip,
> >> people parked and walked from 280.
>
> >> Smell the wildflowers, surrounded by shadowmusic,
> >> I miss her and her grandfather's fiddle.
> >> Lonesome old honeytrip, in a hollow off 280.
>
> >> -Will Dockery
>
> > I missed this one earlier. It's got some interesting language,
> > including the endwords "shadowmusic" and "280". I'm looking forward to
hearing it.
>
> "Shadowmusic" is one of those portmanteaus that is
> pure new age mysticism,
Not really, but you get into all that mystic shit more than I do, so you
seem to find it hiding under your bed on a weekly basis--- in fact, this
criticism of yours "pure new age mysticism" looked like a familiar phrase of
yours, something you just lazily toss off like your own little cliche... so
I Googled "pure new age mysticism" + "dmh" and found that in your younger
days you were pretty well sucked in by the very thing you claim to hate,
these days:
"...I rather applaud Blake's undeniable religious
mysticism, which (unlike so much "Everything is True" blither and radical
Baptist conservatism) celebrates human desire and revolutionary activity in
works of unsurpassed beauty. On the other hand I can appreciate (without
necessarily agrreing with) St. Augustine's intellectual prowess in his
search for self in the blinding light of God. And so on: I mean ancient
myths were originally the stuff of sacred worship (although the later Greeks
took rather a laconic stance vis a vis these gods, and began the process of
installing them in psychology rather than religion). Myth-making is a high
function of the human and should be celebrated wherever it occurs, but this
does not entail procuring the beliefs themselves as a whole cloth. As I have
said, surrealism's interest in the sacred is almost always more along the
lines of archaeological and aesthetic..."
So, thanks for placing me among such good company!
or something that might show up in a
> third-generation "Lord of the Rings" tale as the name of a tree-hugging
> elf.
More a description of a sort of /genre/ of music that's developed out of
concepts and style that I've created, in fact, the upcoming Hogbottom music
festival is almost exactly based on the Honeytrip.
> sort of tripe: the equally fey
Fey? I sure don't get /that/ one much.
Again, I'd ask you to point out where you pulled that one from, but as we
know, explaining yourself isn't your (new age mystic) thing.
> and ineffective "honeytrip"
Fair enough, it didn't effect you.
Which is no surprise, since I haven't seen you having been positively
"effected" by anything posted on these newsgroups in all the years I've been
here, including your own poetry.
> painfully dull and clumsy line "waterfall spray did mist her"
Well, you already admitted you know nothing, and more to the point don't
want to know anything about a sestina, but one of the words (two, actually)
I chose, and then was obligated to use, was "missed her" (or, as the rules
allow, the /sound/), so this led to bits like "mister" and "mist
her"...there was probably more but it wasn't something I intended (and the
form isn't intended for, being based on spoken word, oral tradition) to
spend days on: a sestina should be batted out freestyle from an expert.
Which I'm not, of course, but clearly one up on you, since you can't or
won't even try one.
> awkwardly inserted pop culture references
Where are these? In your imagination, as usual, of course... as with your
accusation of m.s.i.f.g's alleged plagiarism ("theft"), I don't expect you
to explain these "references", since they don't exist.
Unless you're saying that my references to personal and local mythology are
now a part of "pop culture", which is actually some high praise, so thanks.
I see your recent post where you sem to consider pretty much everything in
the modern world to be plagiarism, so this bit is pretty illuminating:
"There are some reasons to believe that we are already living in a
"post-art" world, in which all work produced is merely collage and
plagiarism, comments on art rather than art itself. And it didn't happen
because "scientists 'explained' art" (whatever that could mean), but because
the surrounding culture, driven by mere Sensation, the ubiquity of
entertainment, and the "hive-mind" radiated by TV and the like, has become
less a viable habitat for individual expression and for the quiet and
timeless interstices in which imagination finds its outlet..."
> a useless Rolling Stones cop,
Though you may be onto something that something like a Beggar's Banquet
approch to this might be nice, still...
If it were there, I'd say "yeah", but the fact is, like the lazy bit you
spewed above about "pop culture", the "cop" (whis is your new age-hippie
lingo for "theft" & "plagiarism", and as usual, "post proof or s.t.f.u.",
donchaknow...) from the Rolling Stones simply doesn't exist, except in your
own fevered brain, if even there.
If you don't agree, then show me the /cop/ and I'll tell you if you're
right. Really.
> mimic the outline but not the spirit of a sestina.
So, this means you'll be posting a sestina of your own that comes closer to
this ellusive "spirit"... why not shit or get off the pot for once in your
Usenet life?
Anyway, thanks for the comments, and giving me the opportunity to point out
how wrongheadedly shallow they turned out to be. I mean, how many times are
you going to use the same tired "mysticism lite" or "new age whatever" line,
or accuse someone of plagiarism without offering any examples to back up
your libels?
--
"Twilight Girl" and other song-poems by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
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